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Published on June 13, 2004 By adnauseam In Philosophy
If you read my blog on Ronald Reagan you will have noticed that I admired him, even as a Brit in Southern Africa. I don’t think I went overboard—it was a simple eulogy—and I praised the old warrior for his achievements.

I subscribe to the on-line editions of many newspapers, including the New York Times, so I felt my eulogy might find a place in that paper’s remembrance pages. I think there were 700 or so messages, at last count, but there may have been more. I logged on as usual yesterday morning and was surprised to find (in amongst the praise-singers like myself), a torrent of vitriolic, vulgar and quite bitter condemnations of the former President. I felt ashamed (I’m not American, remember), and somewhat slighted. I mean, where I grew up there were condolence books for the departed (this was long before the internet), and you paid your respects with dignity and with deference to the mourning family.

In fact, this is what I expected: A forum for those people who want to pay their respects. Don’t you expect that when you send in a short eulogy to a highly-regarded newspaper? Don’t you expect dignity or at the least, only some “soft” criticism in with your condolences?

What I found was virtually a chat room (albeit slower), with insults, condemnations and quite unsuitable, indecorous, Reagan bashing. Contributors commented (in reply), on the unseemly conduct of some (rightfully so), whilst others were awash with glee in their appreciation of the clever commentator’s skills at finding vulgar terms for Reagan’s presidency, his actor life and his wife. I read many comments with disgust and sadness. Apart from the lack of grammatical and spelling accuracy in many of these “remembrances”, I was dumbstruck by how people could be so naïve as to misunderstand the reason for the opportunity to remember.

I’m not familiar with your ways, but I know there are some very nice Americans around. I meet them every day. It could be, in thinking that this might be the American way (The Land of the free and all that) that I’m hitting at the wrong side of the railway line. Perhaps this is how the so-called trailer- trash of America make their feelings known? Perhaps there are many Americans who are anti-USA because they feel they’re not part of the “ Dream”? I need assurances here.

Have you, those of you who cannot respect dignity and patriotism, ever thought that one day you will say farewell to your own hero or heroine, your father and mother. Will you shed tears or will you curse and hope that they will die in hell. That’s close to what quite a few of the Reagan remembrance contributors felt.

I don’t want to get too carried away with this issue but I can tell you that when Nelson Mandela passes away, we South Africans will not be sending crass messages to newspaper columns condemning him or foul-mouthing him or rebuking him for his mistakes. We shall rejoice at his life and we shall thank God for that life. That’s how we do things over here. Will some of you say I’m sick or too subservient or perhaps cranky? There could be some clever remarks!

No-one’s perfect but we can sure as hell desist from overstepping the bounds of decency (by thinking we’re clever at making up profanities for any old reason).

(Footnote: I shall be sending a copy of this blog to the NY Times and I trust that they’ll keep a more cautious eye on the forums which injure their integrity).


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Comments
on Jun 13, 2004

In the USA, issues are presented with two sides.  Usually an individual thinks either one way, or another.  There is little room for a middle-of-the-road opinion.

Conceding a point to a person who holds an opposing viewpoint is embarassing, and very rarely done.  The fact that both sides of an argument are presented as being polar opposites makes it difficult to concede any points anyway.

Issues are treated like people.  Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Nixon, all of those guys represent one point of view on the world.  The divisiveness that exists, makes us seem hypocritical if we praise someone in an opposite camp.

As I write this, I can think of some good stuff to say about Reagan.  He was really good at explaining a point and motivating people to action.  ...It'll take me a while to think about something positive to say about GW.  (I hear that he likes baseball.  That's good...)

on Jun 13, 2004
You have written a good article. Yes, some citizens of the US can be gross in their language, values, and in their non-observance of common decency. I am sure that in your part of the world there will be found some that will match them in their offensiveness. So we need voices like yours who will protest such vulgarity wherever it can be found.

Perhaps you didn’t see the thousands of people who stood with the Regan family in their loss. Just in the state of California, the number of mourners was massive. Our TV stations and radio carried tribute after tribute to this man who served our country well. So, no, not all of our citizens are as crass as the ones you have encountered. Like the people of your part of the world, we have those who are at various stages of maturity. Some may never grow up but will continue on and raise children who will either see the folly of their ways or will spread their shallow way of life to others. That is the way of this world.


on Jun 13, 2004
America has lost a lot in the last 30 years. Self-scrutiny is now just an excuse to bloviate and self-aggrandize. People who are dissing Reagan now are looking to be a "voice", prove their wit or intelligence, or disprove others.

It is sad, and I think it erodes the morale of our nation. The US is going the way of France and other 'old world' nations. Nothing is sacred, nothing is worth of respect or reverence, tact is out of the question. It is a nihilistic mess, honestly. Ideals are there just to tear away at.

I am growing to dislike Americans, and I am one. Not many other places to to, though.
on Jun 13, 2004

I am growing to dislike Americans, and I am one


I'm not yet, but I will be.  I too am growing weary of it. 

on Jun 13, 2004

Some people have no respect. It's like on Futurama, a show I like, how they have Nixon on it, not long after he died. Nixon deserves respect after his death, even if one feels he was a terrible President.


I'm hoping it's simply a vocal minority that has no shame in what they do. Even if that minority is large, I hope that the majority still has some compassion and decency in them.

on Jun 14, 2004
Unfortunately it can also be seen on several threads here at JU. There are some people who have nursed hatred toward Reagan for decades but not had anywhere to spread their venom except amongst themselves since he left office. His passing has given them a forum to again gleefully mistake vitriol for cleverness, propaganda for facts, and minority delusion for a private reality to which they must "educate" the rest of the world. Sad indeed.
on Jun 14, 2004
What is sad, is that the folks that spit out hate, often talk the loudest.
on Jun 14, 2004
Well as an Englishman growing up with him and Maggie always on the news I can't say I ever took any notice of the man but hindsight is a precise science isn't it? Looking back he could of made better decisions but my God he could of made a lot worse!

If you can't respect the dead then you have no respect for yourself. I hope someone famous said that otherwise I am getting very philisophical in my old age! God speed Ronnie!
on Jun 14, 2004
They also tend to be the ones preaching tolerance.
on Jun 14, 2004
There are two kinds of American's the idiots and the rest of us. The ones bashing Reagan are probably Bush supporters. I was old enough to remember Reagan. It seems like the most of America does mourn his death. The ones who actually know something should be left to do the mourning or if you don't remember him, just show some respect. He didn't blow up the world or have pre-emptive strikes. He couldn't been that bad.
on Jun 15, 2004
Thanks for all your comments guys. My faith in Americans is boosted considerably. What do you think about this Gerry?
on Jun 15, 2004
Some folks can't put aside their personal and political viewpoints long enough to see the human side of any situation. Sad, but true these days.

For them everything is viewed as an opportunity to push their agenda, even the death and memorial service of one of our nation's leaders. It really is pretty pathetic to think that politics is more important to these people than people.