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Another radical Middle East government?
Published on January 26, 2006 By adnauseam In Current Events
I am not an expert on the Middle East but two thoughts went through my mind upon hearing of Hamas' almost certain victory in the Palestinian elections:
Firstly, I was completely negative. I worry that Hamas will become a third radical government in the Middle East (with Syria and Iran---which is almost Middle East). I considered that perhaps these States were becoming radically altered in their mindset due to anti-US sentiment and that their peoples were rebelling against the authority of George Bush due to his Iraq venture. A radical Middle East could upset the balance of power in the region and, God forbid, put the US and its allies into a really awkward position. Imagine, if you will, the Arab states rising up against the West. It will not be a small problem, especially when we consider that the US is so committed in Iraq (manpower could be very stretched!).

Secondly, I thought, optimistically, that Hamas might come to its senses once in power (They say they cannot deal with Israel but how can they avoid it?). Perhaps when they look at the big picture they will become more responsible and rein in their bombers and radical fighters. Perhaps Hamas will form a responsible government that can influence the masses and calm them. Perhaps Hamas will become the New Hamas?

I could be in cloud cuckoo land, but for the sake of peace, I hope I'm not.

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on Jan 26, 2006
"After Hamas takes over, What?"

Bombs!
on Jan 26, 2006
Hamas already stated in their revised manifesto that Israel has a right to exist. Taking that into account, we can be certain that there will be other changes in their outlook.
The ball is now in Israel's court, so to speak, to make changes in their outlook, giving the Palestinian State the right to exist as well.
There will be peace and there will be cooperation, neither side has any other choice.
on Jan 26, 2006

Glenn Beck likened it to when Jimmy Carter Was elected.

That was bad enough.

on Jan 26, 2006
Jimmy Carter


was one of the international 'observers' of the election here yesterday....
on Jan 26, 2006

Hamas already stated in their revised manifesto that Israel has a right to exist.


I haven't heard anything like that.

And the ball is definitely not in Israel's court. In fact, the game is over.
on Jan 26, 2006
I am glad Hamas has won. Hamas will want a war and this will give Israel the excuse to wipe that disgusting little pimple 'Palestine' off the map once and for all!
on Jan 26, 2006
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Hamas already stated in their revised manifesto that Israel has a right to exist.


Pour la fidélité, c'est loin de la vérité... Dernièrement, un des leaders du Hamas a déclaré qu'il es impensable pour Hamas de reconnaitre l'état d'Israel et que c'est l'apanage des futures générations, mais qu'ils sont prêts pour accepter une trêve de plusieurs années, voire parvenir un accord, "sans le reconnaitre"... Nuance donc!
on Jan 26, 2006
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on Jan 26, 2006

Pour la fidélité, c'est loin de la vérité... Dernièrement, un des leaders du Hamas a déclaré qu'il es impensable pour Hamas de reconnaitre l'état d'Israel et que c'est l'apanage des futures générations, mais qu'ils sont prêts pour accepter une trêve de plusieurs années, voire parvenir un accord, "sans le reconnaitre"... Nuance donc!


Yes, but what if the toaster doesn't make it in time and we need new tires?

No, seriously, what exactly is a cease-fire without recognition? With whom will they have the cease-fire? Jews in general? And what is the future for them? A forever-occupied Arab Palestine? What do they think they have gained today?
on Jan 26, 2006
This shows that the Bush idea that all we need is a democratic vote in the Middle East is not true. He got a democratic vote and 60% of the delegates were chosen that are from a group that support terrorism. How do you say we need the people to choose and then be unable to deal with the leaders that were selected in this democratic vote! Iraq may be another example where the government that results from a democratic vote is like the government in Iran.
on Jan 27, 2006
oh good!!! I didn;t ssee this thread.

Firstly, the ball is STILL in Palestine's court because know one knows what to make of this. Isreal can't really say much because it doesn't know what Hamas or even Abbas will do if there are problems.

Everybody is like, what does this mean??? Is Hamas a 'terrorist group' or is it now a 'terrorist nation' because they are in control of it? What is what here? What will Hamas do? Isreal can't really react to the vote until it has something to react to.

In fact no one can really say much until Hamas and the new government shows its colors.


One thing though, if Hamas involves itself in terrorism, it could be considered an act of war instead of some outside group doing stuff. Abbas can only do so much without civil war.
on Jan 28, 2006
Doesn't matter what Hamas does any more than it matters what al Qaeda does. Hamas has already done what they have done. We don't hire child molesters as babysitters to see what they'll do, and we don't negotiate with terrorists to see what they will do either. At least I hope we don't, though Jimmy Carter seems to be able to shake hands with anyone...
on Jan 28, 2006
we don't negotiate with terrorists to see what they will do either. At least I hope we don't, though Jimmy Carter seems to be able to shake hands with anyone


these two statements are so enticing...but i'm gonna rise above em. (altho i guess nothin more need be said )

having barely managed to make my way beyond that...and bearing in mind i have absolutely no use for the taliban, hezbollah, al quaeda, hamas, etc., it occurs to me 18th century european monarchs prolly considered the revolting colonists just as loathsome and dangerous.
on Jan 28, 2006
My point - The process that Bush is embracing to reduce terrorism in the Middle East is bringing groups into power that support terrorism via the ballot box. Four countries have recently held elections that Bush has supported and in every case the people elected are supportive of terrorism. It seems to me that we need to look at the basic argument. Today Hamas said "Respect the results of the election" in Palestine. WE have two opposing principals facing each other. We do not deal with terrorists. We support the peoples' right to select their representatives in an election. We got what the Bush policy supports-- Free Elections and now do not want to deal with the results of that same election!
on Jan 28, 2006
Colgene, get over yourself. Somehow I doubt the average Palistinian even had Prs. Bush in mind when they voted. Like most, they probably voted with their own self interest in mind. Not everyone shares your pathetically mindless "In all things Bash Bush" myopic view of the world.
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