John Kerry: The closer we get, the more bullshit there is.

Pick a card, any card.

Published on August 16, 2004 By adnauseam In Politics

I note in the South African press that Kerry is being keelhauled again. I mean there is an election in just over two months so there have to be accusations in the Great American Political Game! So pick a card from the following:
* He went into Cambodia and committed atrocities.
* He was too scared to go into Cambodia.
* He went into Cambodia to visit Angkor Wat.
* He bribed people for his medals.
* His medals are fake.
* He let George Bush down while defending Hill 17.
* He let LBJ down by joining the army.
* He was at My Lai.
* He was near My Lai.
* He ran a drug ring in Saigon.
* He pretended to be in Nam.

See what I mean? Pick one and send it to CBS.

Fact is, John Kerrey went to Nam along with John McCain and Bob Kerrey and thousands of others. And some did bad things. On the positive side, many more were just fighting for their country. Period. They deserved their medals because they went into one very sick war--and didn't flee to Canada.

Give us a break Bushites! The problem with American politics is that if a guy is going ahead the opposition invents some bullshit to slow the support.

I think Bush is going to win for all the wrong reasons but I think too that John Kerry could do without all the inventors who rush to make up a new story.

A lot of Americans (not all), need to grow up!

Comments (Page 4)

stevendedalus

on Aug 18, 2004

John Kerry knew what he saw, and said something about it. None of you know what he saw, so before you cry out against his lack of respect for his fellow soldiers, perhaps you should consider something. Preventing the pointless deaths of thousands of American young men and millions of Vietnamese civilians was obviously, in his eyes, a more important goal than being nice to the American people. Show some respect for that.

Bravo! You really tell it like it is--alas, a vhisper in the conservative jungle.

stevendedalus

on Aug 18, 2004

You'll find yourself much less upset. Why not admit that Kerry is simply not your taste. The guy obviously hasn't done anything heinous.

Right on, Kerry haters don't need to fabricate lies, or misinformation if you will, hate is irrational and doesn't require "reasons."

messybuu

on Aug 18, 2004

A convincing argument for what? (you'll have to excuse me, sometimes I can be a bit dense)

That Bush and his cronies are funding the SwiftVets and that Kerry released his full military records.

On the issue of Mr. O' Neill, I think the guy (and the SwiftVets) are straight arrows, at least looking at their records and lives, so it puzzles me that they would sink beneath themselves to go out of their way to mislead the public with such statements as,"I served with John Kerry," when they weren't members of his crew, when they deliberately attempt to push people in to thinking that they were much closer to him when, in fact, they weren't.

Right on, Kerry haters don't need to fabricate lies, or misinformation if you will, hate is irrational and doesn't require "reasons."

Yeah, and Bush haters are all about speculation and half-truths, which is why I can't wait until this whole thing is over.

Deference

on Aug 18, 2004

Did they ever say they served on the same exact crew as John Kerry? When they said they served, they might have meant they served with John Kerry in the same area. Michael Moore does things like that all the time, and Kerry isn't obligated to condemn him for it.

As you very well know, they slyly did not specify, but their implication to the American People were very clear, as any fair minded person might ascertain unless they are two I.Q. points north of a rock. Now to be fair, I'm going to ask you to prove your point on Mr. Moore. As I said, I don't bother with his films so you get to send me searching, give me some quotes where you believe Moore misled people and I'll do my very best to sort that out for you. If not, I'll consider the matter settled.

Yeah, and Bush haters are all about speculation and half-truths, which is why I can't wait until this whole thing is over.

I haven't bothered listening to all the b.s. being slung at Bush as he has already provided substantive policy decisions to vote him out on. I would think that anyone (with respect to his policy) can see there are problems with this administration. They only scored with me on the abortion issue. I admire that he called for a traditional marriage stance, but to add such an amendment to our bill of rights would set a dangerous precedent, the only other like it was the prohibition amendment which was later repealed. That federal trampling upon states rights also betrays him as a federalist, not a conservative.

Lee1776

on Aug 18, 2004

I'm going to ask you to prove your point on Mr. Moore. As I said, I don't bother with his films so you get to send me searching, give me some quotes where you believe Moore misled people and I'll do my very best to sort that out for you.

I give reference to this twice Repley 10 and 30, You just can't ignor what he says in his movies because you didn't go to see it. He uses that media more then anyother to make his point and money.

messybuu

on Aug 18, 2004

As you very well know, they slyly did not specify, but their implication to the American People were very clear, as any fair minded person might ascertain unless they are two I.Q. points north of a rock. Now to be fair, I'm going to ask you to prove your point on Mr. Moore. As I said, I don't bother with his films so you get to send me searching, give me some quotes where you believe Moore misled people and I'll do my very best to sort that out for you. If not, I'll consider the matter settled.

It reminds me of how Michael Moore has clear implications in his movies that are simply dishonest. Anyway, this page has a bit of stuff. There was another page that had a nice chunk of material, but I'll have to find it on here again, unless somebody else has the link.

Even if you don't bother with Michael Moore's movies, they were still made, and should still be condemned. Otherwise, Bush and the Republicans should have the same right not to acknowledge the existence of deceitful comments made by the SwiftVets, and instead, focus on the facts they presented.

Deference

on Aug 18, 2004

I give reference to this twice Repley 10 and 30, You just can't ignor what he says in his movies because you didn't go to see it. He uses that media more then anyother to make his point and money.

Believe me, I wasn't about to ignore anything from the films, I'll entertain those quotes too (hence, the "send me searching" part). Which part in your posts are you seeking to address? I'm willing serve as debunker on issues of fact, but I can hardly help in matters of opinion (e.g., one doesn't like his line of questioning, etc.). Finally, Moore is his own media outlet, he creates his own, he doesn't simply milk off others. I do remember him using the Academy Awards(or some self congratulatory media awards show) as his private stump, when he accepted the award for Bowling for Columbine. As for condemning Moore's films, I would if they weren't factually correct, most of F.9 / 11 is grounded in his research and sources documented in his book "Dude Where's My Country." So I'm fairly confident that there are no innacuracies, particularly since there have been no lawsuits brought by the Bush Admin. involving slander or libel or by any other group, for that matter. I've seen many people who don't care for Moore's "banny rooster" approach to interviewees or his attitude in general. I don't blame them. What facts are to be disputed, though, that is my main concern. Heck, you guys are getting me so intrigued in what might possibly be wrong, I'm probably going to have rent the doggone thing. I do know of a few things in the film that are fact and one might prove to be very interesting to you. The Patriot Act was printed up one night and voted on the next day. The over six-hundred page tome wasn't even read by our lawmakers and most didn't know what the heck they were voting for. This includes Democrats and Republicans. Only ONE (an independant from Indiana, I believe) did not sign off on it. Moore has no qualms with calling his Dem. buddies to the mat when they screw up. He's just a very, very, hardcore liberal himself.

Deference

on Aug 18, 2004

Wow! Great link, and from Newsweek no less (U.S.News&World Report always seemed a little bit more conservative, so I liked to read them) but when did they hire on Isikoff and Hosenball! You've got me there, Muu. Now I really need to see the film to see what Moore screwed up on.

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