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Published on January 13, 2009 By adnauseam In War on Terror

There is absolutely no doubt that Gaza city is swarming with Hamas terror criminals and amateur rocket launchers. However, to use an apt quote I heard the other day:" You don't shoot the hostage to get the hostage taker!"

This is what Israel is doing. 1000 Palestinians killed, many children and women included, little aid let through, hospitals under-equipped and understaffed, few infrastructural facilities left. To my mind Israel is a thug nation using Phosphorus bombs, overkill and little thought for the fact that a nation is suffering because a few rockets shoot in Israel's direction. That is serious but does it require overkill? These bastards can't even stick to a 3 hour amnesty every day.

Israel is (and I don't care whether you agree or not), guilty of war crimes and genocide and believe they can do what they like with Bush's sanction. Look at the images of children's bodies after the UN school atrocity. Look at them in the hospitals and morgues with bullet wounds. Are they Hamas terrorists?

Ehud Olmert is just as guilty as Karadicz at Sczebreniza. I am angry and I despair and grieve for this hell the Israeli's have wrought.


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on Jan 13, 2009

Typical, "it's what Israel is doing" but not what Hamas is doing right?

So throwing random missiles into Israel is not the same thing? I just don't get it. I just don't. These people want nothing less than the complete anihilation of the Jewish population yet Israel is the evil one.

I have lost all hope for mankind, for it will take nothing less than the elimination of more than 50 % of the popualtion of this planet to probably knock some sense into people and realize that we are all humans, we all bleed red blood, we all eat, sleep, breath and shit the same. If people are too blinded by their ignorance, selfishness and stupidity to see the world for what it really is, then we all deserve to go to hell. I hope a meteor the size of Mars is heading our way soon, may be the only way for there to be peace of this God forsaken planet.

on Jan 13, 2009

I wonder if people who bring up genocide actually know the definition of it, because Israel is doing no such thing. 

on Jan 13, 2009

So it would be ok if I launched a rocket at your home every so often just for the hell of it right? for no other reason than I don't like your name.

on Jan 14, 2009

Moderateman


So it would be ok if I launched a rocket at your home every so often just for the hell of it right? for no other reason than I don't like your name.

So would it be O.K. if I destroyed your hometown and attacked your family just for no other reason there is a doubt that your neighbors they don't like are hiding near you? 

on Jan 14, 2009

So would it be O.K. if I destroyed your hometown and attacked your family just for no other reason there is a doubt that your neighbors they don't like are hiding near you?

It was OK when the Americans did it to my father's home in Germany.

And, incidentally, I agree with that view.

Everything else prolongs the war and costs too many lives.

 

on Jan 14, 2009

Israel is (and I don't care whether you agree or not), guilty of war crimes and genocide

You will find lots of people who will agree with that.

But killing human shields is not a war crime and killing a few hundred people during a war is not genocide.

Redefining the meaning of those crimes just because one wants to accuse Israel is a common strategy. But it won't end the war.

USING human shields, on the other hand, IS a war crime.

And firing rockets into cities devoid of any military target is an attempted genocide.

Why are you accusing Israel of crimes committed not by Israel but by Hamas? I don't get it.

 

on Jan 14, 2009

About the word "genocide" as used by some:

http://citizenleauki.joeuser.com/article/97234

 

on Jan 14, 2009

I'm sorry, adnauseum, but any criticism of Israel in these forums is going to get ya shot down just like the Palestinians.

So you think that accusing Israel of "genocide" is "criticism" of Israel?

Over the last few years a _real_ genocide happened in Sudan, but few people care. (I myself don't care much; merely give 50 dollars a month to a Darfurian charity.)

And suddenly, when Israel kills a few hundred Arabs (which is something Hamas were also doing on a regular basis), we have a _genocide_?

That's what a genocide is?

That's the problem with this world? Arabs die when Jews shoot back at them?

I want to live on that planet!

 

on Jan 14, 2009

Please don't put words in my mouth, Leauki.

So which criticism were you referring to?

The author accuses Israel of genocide and war crimes (and he is lying), and you bring up the subject of "criticism" of Israel.

How does it fit together?

 

on Jan 14, 2009

Little whip: "........any criticism of Israel is gonna get you shot down......"

Thanks Whip-----I enjoyed your sarcastic comments.

Leauki: " The author .............is lying"

Do you mean lying as in: I'm making it up, or lying as in:There are WMD's in Iraq.Here are some facts for you and other Joeusers:

1. I support Israel and am bitterly disappointed in them. The Oxford dictionary defines Genocide as:" The deliberate killing of a very large number (1000 and counting not enough for you?),from a particular ethnic group or NATION." I believe Israel is guilty of this.

2.There were no Hamas in the UNWRA compound when 40 women and children were killed.This has been verified.

3. Israel has blocked vital aid to people who need food, medicines, fuel etc. (One example: An Iranian vessel carrying 1000 tons of medical supplies and food was turned away from the Gaza coast by the Israelis. It has been verified that there were no arms on the vessel.

4. Here's an example of blatant lying: " Israel says it is not targeting Gaza civilians." How do you fire a shell from a huge gun and pinpoint Hamas warriors only. That's like saying only selected areas of Hiroshima were targetted in 1945.

5.This war has been planned so badly to teach Hamas a lesson and stop their rocket launches. At what price? Like the Lebanon war two years ago, the Israelis have no idea how to tackle a terrorist organisation without killing innocent civilians.

6. 300 children have died, many with bullet wounds ---don't the Israelis learn how to aim straight?

I've said my piece and I have only two questions: Bush professes to be a Christian---By what standards?

I know many of you don't agree with my views but the millions marching in London, Indonesia, Australia etc--and even Washington, seem to agree with me!

on Jan 14, 2009

1. I support Israel and am bitterly disappointed in them. The Oxford dictionary defines Genocide as:" The deliberate killing of a very large number (1000 and counting not enough for you?),from a particular ethnic group or NATION." I believe Israel is guilty of this.

I really don't care if you support Israel. I have met many supporters of Israel I wouldn't want to associate with.

No, 1000 is not a "very large number" and the killing (of the civilians) were not deliberate either.

Did you refer to Hamas killing hundreds of people in Gaza as a genocide, too?

 

2.There were no Hamas in the UNWRA compound when 40 women and children were killed.This has been verified.

The IDF say there were. Hamas say there weren't. Who verified this? Apart from Hamas-approved journalists, Hamas-sympathisers among the UN staff (everyone else fled when Hamas took over), and the IDF nobody was there.

Even some of the teachers, paid by the UN, were Hamas militants.

 

3. Israel has blocked vital aid to people who need food, medicines, fuel etc. (One example: An Iranian vessel carrying 1000 tons of medical supplies and food was turned away from the Gaza coast by the Israelis. It has been verified that there were no arms on the vessel.

Again, verified by whom?

Anyway, if aid was so important, we should ask Hamas to stop firing and let some aid in. It's not up to the Israelis.

 

4. Here's an example of blatant lying: " Israel says it is not targeting Gaza civilians." How do you fire a shell from a huge gun and pinpoint Hamas warriors only. That's like saying only selected areas of Hiroshima were targetted in 1945.

Israel is not using "huge guns".

In fact Israel has specific weapons designed not to kill. (I believe the example of a rocket that doesn't explode and is targeted at an empty point on a roof to scare away civilians on the roof was given earlier.)

 

5.This war has been planned so badly to teach Hamas a lesson and stop their rocket launches. At what price? Like the Lebanon war two years ago, the Israelis have no idea how to tackle a terrorist organisation without killing innocent civilians.

Yet Hizbullah stopped firing at Israel and even now believe that the propaganda value of claiming resposibility doesn't outway the disadvantage of being blamed for attacks by Israel.

The Lebanese police even took action against terrorists shooting rockets from Lebanon this week.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to tackle a terrorist organisation without killing innocent civilians. Terrorists target civilians and use them as human shields. Both are war crimes. The reason they are war crimes is because the result is dead civilians.

 

6. 300 children have died, many with bullet wounds ---don't the Israelis learn how to aim straight?

The Israelis aim straight. But Hamas terrorists are using children as human shields. The IDF have videos that show this. Hamas has also boobytrapped schools and is blowing them up. How the heck do you even know which child was killed by the IDF and which was killed by Hamas?

 

on Jan 14, 2009

I know many of you don't agree with my views but the millions marching in London, Indonesia, Australia etc--and even Washington, seem to agree with me!

Yes, I'm afraid they do.

And they are prolonging a war that should have ended decades ago, that should have never started.

And, ironically, they refer to themselves as "anti-war"protesters.

on Jan 14, 2009

fussyvet
Moderatemancomment 4So it would be ok if I launched a rocket at your home every so often just for the hell of it right? for no other reason than I don't like your name.So would it be O.K. if I destroyed your hometown and attacked your family just for no other reason there is a doubt that your neighbors they don't like are hiding near you? 

You are an Anti-semitic weasel, I did not ask this question of you and would not expect an answer, of course you DID NOT ANSWER you just asked another question.

My question was for the author of this article not you, I already know where your stance is, mutt!

on Jan 14, 2009

Leauki, you are fight a pointless battle but sometimes these pointless battles need to be fought. More often then not people (like adnau) will take American Media and say they are lying and Americans are dumb enough to believe it but when the news comes form the same people who are the terrorist, they swallow the story hook, line and sinker.

This is why this world will never be a better place to live. These kinds of situations will happen for all eternity and all we can do is live with it. So long as there are people willing to look the other way, willing to point fingers at one side while dismissing the other for the same actions or worse, while some chose to be blind simply out of hatred for the other side, innocent people will die, Gov't will be corrupt and ignorance will be the universal language of this planet.

on Jan 14, 2009

You need to keep up with what's happening in the news here Charles. Leauki, your battle is not pointless --it is just uninformed.

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